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Another facet of parenting being taken over by government and tech.

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Government overreach, and a solution looking for a problem.

I 100% agree. Part of the issue that I see is that parents are not
carrying their weight when it comes to this particular issue. Maybe they
don't know how or can't.

I don't think the government should be reaching into this... they should be encouraging parents to get more involved (and maybe holding them accountable)... but I do think there is a problem.

Mike

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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Mike Powell to RUG RAT on Sun Mar 29 2026 10:18 am

Another facet of parenting being
taken over by government and tech.

[...snip...]

Government overreach, and a soluti
looking for a problem.

I 100% agree. Part of the issue tha
see is that parents are not
carrying their weight when it comes
this particular issue. Maybe they
don't know how or can't.

I don't think the government should
reaching into this... they should be
encouraging parents to get more
involved (and maybe holding them
accountable)... but I do think there
a problem.

I think the good version of
government's role in this would be
government sponsored classes for
parents combined with some incentive to
get them to take said course, or
providing it for free in some obvious
public way. But of course, they'd
rather capture more public data and
entrench the police state. Same as it
ever was.




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I don't think the government should reaching into this... they should be
encouraging parents to get more involved (and maybe holding them
accountable)... but I do think there a problem.

I think the good version of government's role in this would be government sponsored classes for parents combined with some incentive to get them to take
said course, or providing it for free in some obvious public way. But of course, they'd rather capture more public data and entrench the police state. Same as it ever was.

I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their kids,
and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble in
school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

These days, I doubt you will get much participation in any such class for a multitude of reasons.

I agree that, yes, the government would rather Big Brother it than anything else.


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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..
(Except when they are at home..) B)

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Re: Re: Apple rolls out age v
By: Mike Powell to MAX STUBBS on Mon Mar 30 2026 02:30 pm

I think parents in earlier times...
like the parents who blamed their ki
and not the school, when their kid
misbehaved and got in trouble in
school... might be more likely to be
interested in such assistance.

These days, I doubt you will get muc
participation in any such class for
multitude of reasons.

Eh, I've never been big on the whole
"this new generation (insert
criticism)" to be honest, every
generation of people does that and I
think it tends to be wrong. I think
people would go, but you just have to
make it easy for them to do it. People
have busy live and only so much free
time in a day.

But yeah, its a moot point, not gonna
happen anyway.


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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school... might be more likely to be interested in such assistance.

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..
(Except when they are at home..) B)

My parents used to, unless they really, really thought it wasn't my fault. IIRC, a few of the real troublemakers may have had "not ever my kid's
fault" parents but most of my friends' parents still knew about discipline.

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These days, I doubt you will get muc participation in any such class for multitude of reasons.

Eh, I've never been big on the whole "this new generation (insert criticism)" to be honest, every generation of people does that and I think it tends to be wrong. I think people would go, but you just have to make it easy for them to do it. People have busy live and only so much free time in a day.

But yeah, its a moot point, not gonna happen anyway.

I am not always big on it, either, but it does seem like there are more
parents today (I am related to at least one) who are quick to blame the teachers when it is their kid causing the problem.

Or maybe I just think there are more today because my parents, and most of
my friends' parents, were not like that. There had to be some very
convincing evidence before they'd take our side over a teacher's.


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Eh, I've never been big on the whole

>"this new generation (insert
>criticism)" to be honest, every
>generation of people does that and I
>think it tends to be wrong. I think
>people would go, but you just have to
>make it easy for them to do it. People
>have busy live and only so much free
>time in a day.

I think there have been a lot of changes to family dynamics over
the past 70 years or so which effects a lot of things.

We went from just one parent working with usually mom at home
full time with the kids or waiting for the kids to get home to
a point where most families can't afford to eat without both
parents working full time.

We came into a time when the kids knew electronic devices inside-out
with the parents having no idea about them, which we are maybe now
getting past for the most part..

And another thing is we've gone from tiny allowances so the kid
can buy a little candy or something to kids being given a large
amounts of money to do with what they like, probably out of guilt
due to parents having little time for the kids..

Obviously not all families are in the same situations but this
is what I've seen a lot of watching family in my life..

All that said, somewhat slightly off topic, parents having less
to do with their kids most of the time would have to decide
who to believe in a case like that since they maybe don't know
their kids as well as previous generations might have.

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I think parents in earlier times... like the parents who blamed their

>kids, and not the school, when their kid misbehaved and got in trouble
>in school...

Did parents ever do that? Usually nothing is the kid's fault..

>> (Except when they are at home..) B)

My parents used to, unless they really, really thought it wasn't my fault.

>IIRC, a few of the real troublemakers may have had "not ever my kid's
>fault" parents but most of my friends' parents still knew about discipline.

Ha, I remember when I was in grade school out in the country there
was a big old elm tree and if kids got in trouble they got to spend
recess and any spare lunch time standing out alone under the tree..

I spent a fair amount of time out there for a while, probably
for things like joking around and talking during class. B)

Many years later I found out that that finally stopped because
my parents phoned the school and complained about it.

Thinking back, I spent most of my youth not paying attention
in class. By highschool I would be busy doing my homework from
the previous class. I at least wasn't annoying others around me
but for some reason most teachers seemed to take offence if you
didn't pay any attention to them, regardless of your marks..

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Rob Mccart wrote to MAX STUBBS <=-

We went from just one parent working with usually mom at home
full time with the kids or waiting for the kids to get home to
a point where most families can't afford to eat without both
parents working full time.

We had to make some hard decisions when we had our first child over
childcare. It almost made more sense for my wife to stay home instead
of paying most of her salary for childcare. We chose to work, which
paid off handsomely down the road, but it was a serious choice.

And another thing is we've gone from tiny allowances so the kid
can buy a little candy or something to kids being given a large
amounts of money to do with what they like, probably out of guilt
due to parents having little time for the kids..

Look at inflation, the cost of living, and the way kids have been
marketed to. My daughter's favorite go-to is hanging out with friends
at a Starbucks, not riding bikes to friends' houses or hanging out at a
park. And, that candy that was $.35 is now $2.49.

We were different kids, though. For us, it was all about building a
sense of independence - I could ride my bike wherever I want to go,
don't need to ask my parents for much, and head home when it started to
get dark. (My family had a locked-in dinnertime of 7pm)



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Ha, I remember when I was in grade school out in the country there
was a big old elm tree and if kids got in trouble they got to spend
recess and any spare lunch time standing out alone under the tree..

We had something similar... IIRC when we were really young, 1-4th grade, we usually played not far outside the outside door of the classroom. I think
if we misbehaved, we had to go stand and face the wall by the door.

The tree might have been more interesting. ;)

Mike


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