Hey Deon, why can I not subscribe to any of the fidonet echoes through Clearinghouze?

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Geri Atricks wrote to Deon <=-

Hey Deon, why can I not subscribe to any of the fidonet echoes through Clearinghouze?

Maybe because you don't have a FidoNet node number?



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Re: Fidonet
By: Geri Atricks to Deon on Thu Apr 02 2026 11:50 am

Howdy,

Hey Deon, why can I not subscribe to any of the fidonet echoes through Clearinghouze?

Access to other networks in clrghouz is not automatic :)

For "othernets" many ZCs want to control who gets what from where. Fidonet is a its own unique case, so I can enable you for it.

Head back to the website, or use areafix and you should be good to go.


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deon wrote to Geri Atricks <=-

Re: Fidonet
By: Geri Atricks to Deon on Thu Apr 02 2026 11:50 am

Hey Deon, why can I not subscribe to any of the fidonet echoes through Clearinghouze?

Access to other networks in clrghouz is not automatic :)

For "othernets" many ZCs want to control who gets what from where.
Fidonet is a its own unique case, so I can enable you for it.

Head back to the website, or use areafix and you should be good to go.

Is that the proper way to do that? He doesn't need to apply/get a valid FidoNet node number from the appropriate NC?

Honestly that doesn't seem right to me.



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Is that the proper way to do that? He doesn't need to apply/get a valid FidoNet node number from the appropriate NC?

Honestly that doesn't seem right to me.

You're right, it's not. The ONLY way I could see this being correct is if he needed a new feed to poll from, or is trying to get all of this feeds from one place. But if he's NOT in the nodelist, this violates Policy 4.

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Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Thu Apr 02 2026 07:41 pm

Howdy,

Is that the proper way to do that? He doesn't need to apply/get a valid FidoNet node number from the appropriate NC?

Honestly that doesn't seem right to me.

I'm not supplying a fidonet node number. I'm just supplying mail.


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deon wrote to Gamgee <=-

Is that the proper way to do that? He doesn't need to apply/get a valid FidoNet node number from the appropriate NC?

Honestly that doesn't seem right to me.

I'm not supplying a fidonet node number. I'm just supplying mail.

Exactly. You're acting as a Hub to feed mail to.... who? To what
address?

If he just wants to read/reply to Fido mail, he can log into your BBS,
or any other BBS, and do that. Perfectly fine. But getting a "feed" of FidoNet echomail would seem to require a node number, to me.

If he replies to a Fido message on his own BBS, what will the
originating system show as?


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Hey deon!

On Fri, 03 Apr 2026 10:10:30 +1100, you wrote:

For "othernets" many ZCs want to control who gets what from where.
Fidonet is a its own unique case, so I can enable you for it.

While "control" may be a small part of it in some cases, the main reason for smaller networks is so that the ZC knows who's actually in the network, and can keep the nodelist up to date. If everyone decided to feed whoever they wanted, there would never be a chance in hell that network's nodelist would be accurate.

Same goes for Fidonet. If he hasn't contacted the proper NC/RC for a node number, then he won't be nodelisted, and won't be able to send/receive netmail properly. Having read and hopefully followed most of the FTN standards when writing your program, you should know all of this already. Once he has a valid node number via the proper region and network, then he can feed from whoever he wants (if this has already happened, I missed that part of the conversation).

If you are going to do such things for certain networks, you should probably let the ZC know who you're adding/removing every single time, so they can keep the network's nodelist up-to-date (which is a *C's only real job) so netmail can flow correctly.

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Hi Deon,

What ZC's care about is that you get your Fidonet node number from your closet geographical hub from that NC, you can get your echo and file feed from
whoever you want.

So as long as you can communicate with your NC by netmail to keep your node number active there shouldn't be an issue.

Hope this clears this up.

Terry

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Re: Fidonet
By: Geri Atricks to Deon on Thu Apr 02 2026 11:50 am

Howdy,

Hey Deon, why can I not subscribe to any of the fidonet echoes through
Clearinghouze?

Access to other networks in clrghouz is not automatic :)

For "othernets" many ZCs want to control who gets what from where.
Fidonet is a its own unique case, so I can enable you for it.

Head back to the website, or use areafix and you should be good to go.

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Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 08:15 am

Howdy,

If he replies to a Fido message on his own BBS, what will the
originating system show as?

His fidonet address.


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Re: Fidonet
By: Accession to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 04:50 pm

Howdy,

can keep the nodelist up to date. If everyone decided to feed whoever they wanted, there would never be a chance in hell that network's nodelist would be accurate.

Same goes for Fidonet. If he hasn't contacted the proper NC/RC for a node number, then he won't be nodelisted, and won't be able to send/receive netmail properly.

Sounds like you all have assumed he doesnt already have a fidonet address, and I assume the Hub/NC has taken care of the nodelist requirements.

Dallas already has a fidonet address - I'm just feeding mail to him.


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Re: RE: Fidonet
By: Terry Roati to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 09:55 am

Howdy,

Hope this clears this up.

I wasnt confused :)


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deon wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 08:15 am

If he replies to a Fido message on his own BBS, what will the
originating system show as?

His fidonet address.

He doesn't *HAVE* a FidoNet address, as has been previously stated.




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deon wrote to Accession <=-

Re: Fidonet
By: Accession to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 04:50 pm

Same goes for Fidonet. If he hasn't contacted the proper NC/RC for a node number, then he won't be nodelisted, and won't be able to send/receive netmail properly.

Sounds like you all have assumed he doesnt already have a fidonet
address, and I assume the Hub/NC has taken care of the nodelist requirements.

No, it seems that *YOU* have assumed he *DOES* have one. He does not.

Dallas already has a fidonet address - I'm just feeding mail to him.

What is it? He is not listed in the nodelist as of today's edition.



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Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 09:59 pm

Howdy,

His fidonet address.

He doesn't *HAVE* a FidoNet address, as has been previously stated.

I havent seen that he says he hasnt got an address - I only saw that he couldnt get fidonet stuff from me - because clrghouz will show him possible echoareas as his system is presenting a fidonet address, but he wasnt enabled to actually receive them.

If the address he's presenting is not in a nodelist, it would be automatically deleted the next time clrghouz processes a nodelist - which I'm sure would lead to us investigating why his feed would be abrumptly cut off.

While I think if it, I should double check that is actually happening that way, since it isnt a common occurance...


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Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 09:59 pm

Howdy,

No, it seems that *YOU* have assumed he *DOES* have one. He does not.

No, I havent assumed, his system presents one.

I havent check that it is actually assigned as per the nodelist, but I dont need to worry about that too much, because the next time clrghouz processes a nodelist it would be deleted automatically. (Well it should...)

What is it? He is not listed in the nodelist as of today's edition.

1:123/256 I think...


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Maybe because you don't have a FidoNet node number?

My Fido address is: 1:123/256

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Hey Geri!

On Fri, 03 Apr 2026 22:50:16 -0500, you wrote:

My Fido address is: 1:123/256

I imagine if you disappeared for however long, were unreachable during that time, and came back, your nodelist entry has been removed. It's not in the current nodelist. You can probably get it back (since it's not currently being used) if you contact the proper NC of net 123 (Mark Lewis at sestar.synchro.net).

This would be the "proper" way of re-joining Fidonet. After that, and probably establishing working netmail with Mark so that he knows you're actually running a valid system, you can then feed from whoever you want.

Regards,
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Hey deon!

On Sat, 04 Apr 2026 12:56:24 +1100, you wrote:

Sounds like you all have assumed he doesnt already have a fidonet
address, and I assume the Hub/NC has taken care of the nodelist requirements.

Most of us aren't assuming anything. He left for a long period of time, came back, and is trying to hook up to your service for everything. He is not in the current nodelist.

Dallas already has a fidonet address - I'm just feeding mail to him.

No, he doesn't. He needs to contact his NC to get re-listed after most likely being removed for lack of activity for so long. As a hub/host, these are things you should probably look into beforehand, and this is some of us letting you know this information if you didn't already know.

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Geri Atricks wrote to Gamgee <=-

Maybe because you don't have a FidoNet node number?

My Fido address is: 1:123/256

No, it isn't. It used to be, but then you disappeared for about 2 years
and were removed from the nodelist. You seriously didn't know that?

Another question - why aren't you asking NC123 where your echomail feed
is?



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deon wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to deon on Fri Apr 03 2026 09:59 pm

No, it seems that *YOU* have assumed he *DOES* have one. He does not.

No, I havent assumed, his system presents one.

That is invalid.

I havent check that it is actually assigned as per the nodelist, but I dont need to worry about that too much, because the next time clrghouz processes a nodelist it would be deleted automatically. (Well it should...)

What is it? He is not listed in the nodelist as of today's edition.

1:123/256 I think...

That used to be true, but he disappeared for like 2 years, and was
de-listed. Apparently even he doesn't know that.


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