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  • fsxNet HK 7 Feb 25

    From Accession@21:1/200 to Utopian Galt on Sat Feb 8 11:56:08 2025
    Hey Utopian!

    On Sat, Feb 08 2025 17:44:34 -0600, you wrote:

    Its the platinum xpress outbound which makes it pissy, you either
    need to use irex, do it via ftp or virtual modem with netserial.

    What does Irex do that other mailers don't? Just seems Irex can't be the only possible solution (since it's probably one of the worst mailers still in use today). Is Irex used in binkp or Frontdoor/Attach mode? There's plenty of other mailers out there that do both, so I'm just wondering what it is that's forcing Irex to be used here..

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Accession on Sat Feb 8 11:43:06 2025
    BY: Accession (21:1/200)

    |11A|09> |10What does Irex do that other mailers don't? Just seems Irex can't be the|07
    |11A|09> |10only possible solution (since it's probably one of the worst mailers|07
    |11A|09> |10still in use today). Is Irex used in binkp or Frontdoor/Attach mode?|07
    |11A|09> |10There's plenty of other mailers out there that do both, so I'm just|07
    |11A|09> |10wondering what it is that's forcing Irex to be used here..|07
    Its the platinum xpress outbound!



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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Utopian Galt on Sat Feb 8 15:04:04 2025
    Hey Utopian!

    On Sat, Feb 08 2025 19:43:06 -0600, you wrote:

    Its the platinum xpress outbound!

    Not really. Irex is a 3rd party mailer that can be used with basically any BBS software. The question I'm trying to get at here is, can ANY mailer be used as that 3rd party mailer (like D'Bridge, for instance)?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Accession on Sat Feb 8 13:58:20 2025
    BY: Accession (21:1/200)

    |11A|09> |10Not really. Irex is a 3rd party mailer that can be used with basically|07
    |11A|09> |10any BBS software. The question I'm trying to get at here is, can ANY|07
    |11A|09> |10mailer be used as that 3rd party mailer (like D'Bridge, for instance)?|07

    You only able to use Irex or PXW.

    Ive been begging for someone to make an internet rex clone that could do pxw outbounds.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to UTOPIAN GALT on Sun Feb 9 09:47:00 2025
    You only able to use Irex or PXW.

    That explains what happens on the node end. If the node is using IREX, are they free to use any of the mailer flavors available in IREX, i.e. can they send/receive the packets via the IREX binkp option to/from their hub? Or
    are they restricted to the ftp IREX option?


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Sun Feb 9 09:36:03 2025
    Accession wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    What does Irex do that other mailers don't? Just seems Irex can't be
    the only possible solution

    Irex supports TransX, FTP, email attachments and bink. Not well, mind
    you, since it's hasn't been updated this century, but it was pretty
    cool. I had a TransX link back when I took over R10 and used Irex for
    it.



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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 9 12:13:50 2025
    Hey poindexter!

    On Sun, Feb 09 2025 17:36:02 -0600, you wrote:

    Irex supports TransX, FTP, email attachments and bink. Not well, mind
    you, since it's hasn't been updated this century, but it was pretty
    cool. I had a TransX link back when I took over R10 and used Irex for
    it.

    I know what it does (not well). I just don't really understand why it's the _only_ solution for Platinum Express, and haven't really gotten a good answer to that question besides basically "it just is".

    If it's only being used as a binkp (or even FD/Attach style) mailer, then any other mailer with the same capability should be able to handle that same job (and probably do it better/more reliably). *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 9 09:22:02 2025
    BY: Dumas Walker (21:1/175)

    |11DW|09> |10That explains what happens on the node end. If the node is using IREX,|07
    |11DW|09> |10are|07
    |11DW|09> |10they free to use any of the mailer flavors available in IREX, i.e. can|07
    |11DW|09> |10they|07
    |11DW|09> |10send/receive the packets via the IREX binkp option to/from their hub? |07
    |11DW|09> |10Or|07
    |11DW|09> |10are they restricted to the ftp IREX option?|07
    Yes, on irex you can use binkp or whatever other flavor it has.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Accession on Sun Feb 9 13:15:53 2025
    BY: Accession (21:1/200)

    |11A|09> |10I know what it does (not well). I just don't really understand why it's|07
    |11A|09> |10the _only_ solution for Platinum Express, and haven't really gotten a|07
    |11A|09> |10good answer to that question besides basically "it just is".|07
    Its because it handles PX outbounds. That is the problem!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Sun Feb 9 14:51:43 2025
    Re: fsxNet HK 7 Feb 25
    By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 09 2025 12:13 pm

    If it's only being used as a binkp (or even FD/Attach style) mailer, then an other mailer with the same capability should be able to handle that same job (and probably do it better/more reliably). *shrug*

    Agreed. I've seen other applications all working well together, as long as they are pointing to the same directories.
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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Feb 9 15:33:31 2025
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN (21:4/122)

    |11pF|09> |10Agreed. I've seen other applications all working well together, as long|07
    |11pF|09> |10as they are pointing to the same directories.|07
    I was using an alternative mailer Trapgate, and the packets were never sent because trapgate doesnt read the outbound packets from PXW.


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 9 18:34:28 2025
    Hey Utopian!

    On Sun, Feb 09 2025 21:15:52 -0600, you wrote:

    Its because it handles PX outbounds. That is the problem!

    If PX outbounds are just directories, any binkp mailer should work just fine. That's the point I'm trying make here. There is absolutely nothing special about Irex that does anything differently in regards to binkp (as a matter of fact, it's worse than most other mailers out there).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Mon Feb 10 13:48:22 2025
    On 09 Feb 2025 at 06:34p, Accession pondered and said...

    If PX outbounds are just directories, any binkp mailer should work just fine. That's the point I'm trying make here. There is absolutely nothing special about Irex that does anything differently in regards to binkp
    (as a matter of fact, it's worse than most other mailers out there).

    I'm not familiar with PX but I agree with you Nick, unless there's something special in the way of the files being created by PX for outbound dir being different from most mailers you would think it should play nice with something like BinkD or similar.... but I don't know enough to be dangerous :)

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Accession on Sun Feb 9 19:10:22 2025
    BY: Accession (21:1/200)


    |11A|09> |10If PX outbounds are just directories, any binkp mailer should work just|07
    |11A|09> |10fine. That's the point I'm trying make here. There is absolutely nothing|07
    |11A|09> |10special about Irex that does anything differently in regards to binkp|07
    |11A|09> |10(as a matter of fact, it's worse than most other mailers out there).|07
    I dont know the magic, but i think charles reverse engineered the outbound to make sure packets to be sent.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to UTOPIAN GALT on Mon Feb 10 09:22:00 2025
    Yes, on irex you can use binkp or whatever other flavor it has.

    So as long as the hub provides a connection flavor that irex supports, a Wildcat! board should be able to connect to them?


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Utopian Galt on Mon Feb 10 18:16:04 2025
    Hey Utopian!

    On Mon, Feb 10 2025 03:10:22 -0600, you wrote:

    I dont know the magic, but i think charles reverse engineered the
    outbound to make sure packets to be sent.

    Doubtful, but I haven't used Platinum Express either, so maybe I'm not understanding you all the way. Either way, any binkp mailer can also use fileboxes which basically forces a specified directory to be used on a per-link basis. So there's probably multiple ways to make things work in your situation, even if you had to copy the message packets/bundles out of the PX outbound directory into another (which I highly doubt would be necessary).

    All that said, what matters in the end is that it works for you.

    Regards,
    Nick

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